I've joined this site because I've had it with another aviation site, at ww2aircraft.net.  At first I thought the site was great, but it turned out that some of the moderators act like hair-triggered primadonnas up to and including ridiculing you for your suspension by another moderator, when they know full well that at that point you can no longer respond to their ridicule (very unprofessional).  If you say anything that goes against them, boom, you're suspended without any real explanation.  I fully realise that forums have to have rules, and that posters are expected to abide by them, but if you're suspended without even a warning and without being told why you're suspended, it's hard to stop doing something when you don't even know what that something is.  At any rate, for what it's worth, I cannot recommend this site, unless you're certain you'll never say anything that could possibly be considered controversial by their rather touchy moderators.  I certainly hope that the moderators at this site are a little, well, more moderate and forgiving if someone innocently oversteps the bounds.  I hope I haven't overstepped the bounds with this post!  If I have, please tell me and I'll gladly mend my evil ways.

I am planning to join that forum.. because I am currently looking for some aviation or aircraft forum..
but, because of what you've said.. I am having a second thought.. thanks..        

To all of u senior members here, watch out for this turd.... I am the Senior Mod for ww2aircraft.net, and have been so for many years.... This meatball had 8, thats eight , posts before he was banned... He posted 1, thats one, reply in an avaition related thread, and in it, and IL2 thread, he insulted one of our Polish members, a member who had been there for 3 years....

Here is part of his quote....

"Perhaps I shouldn't bring this up, but is it just a coincidence that a Pole is denigrating the greatest Russian plane of the war? I'm sorry, Mr. Brunner, that the Soviets sat on the Vistula and watched whilst the Home Army was slaughtered in Warsaw by the ***, but that doesn't alter the fact that the IL-2 was one of the truly great aeroplanes of WWII, and in my opinion, the single plane most responsible for defeating the *** in the war. "

He's sorry that the guys family tree was almost completely wiped off the face of the planet.... Yea, u can see his concen, cant u???

He even went so far as to leave this little bit of info at the bottom of this post:

"How's this for a first (and I suspect last) post?"

He knew he was gonna get his pee pee slapped, and he rightfully did... U dont insult members on our Board and expect to keep on playing in the sandbox with the other little kiddies...

This retard Learstang posted 7 of his mighty, awe-inspiring posts in the Political section of our Board on top of it all... He was banned in a Political thread for not obeying the rules of said thread and for mocking and insulting a Moderator named FlyboyJ...

U guys are gonna love this moron on ur board... I wonder if he'll make it past 8 posts here....

Thank you, LesOfPrimus (or should I say Minister of Whoopass?) for your kind response to my posting.  I am so gratified that you have nothing better in your life to do than track me down to this aviation forum and post your mighty, awe-inspiring response.  I am honoured.  I do feel I have to respond to your posting, however.  In regards to what I wrote in response to Mr. Brunner’s post on ww2aircraft.net, I will admit that bringing up the brave, but tragic uprising of the Home Army in Warsaw was over the line, especially to a Pole.  My response, poorly done in this regard, was to try and point out the very possible bias of Mr. Brunner to anything Soviet.  This bias, based on what the Soviets did to Poland (the stab in the back in 1939, the Katyn Wood massacre, the massacre of the Home Army, and 45 or so years of repressive Soviet domination), is certainly understandable, but should not colour one’s analysis of an aeroplane.  If a Japanese had pointed out the shortcomings of the B-29, real or imagined, he might also have been called out for his possible bias.  This is what I was trying to do, although I should have done it in a less offensive and possibly insulting manner.  I will give you this point.  I do find it interesting, however, that if this original post were so insulting and beyond the pale that no one called me out for it at the time, not Mr. Brunner nor you nor any of the other moderators.  I was not banned until I had responded to a publicly posted personal attack against me by Flyboyj, one of www2aircraft.net’s moderators.  His nasty attack against me, repeated below in its entirety, was posted after I was suspended for allegedly breaching the forum rules, although the exact nature of that breach was never made known to me.  One of those rules stated something about “personal attacks against forum members”.  Please read Flybloyj’s response below and see if it didn’t violate the very rules I was accused of violating:

"Bla, bla, bla......

Gee Dennis - I didn't know you had an interest in aircraft!

Ya know, I'm a moderator who will actually the left of center be heard [I know, I don't understand what he's saying here either] but by the last part of your post you have just shown you're too stupid to be here so my 12,689 posts boot is kicking you in your ignorant pansy ass – goodbye!!!! [emphasis added]

Evidently you didn't read the first page of this thread and BTW is ole Maxi your tail gunner???"

It’s almost as if he took offence at my referring to his 12,688 posts in my original post (when I mentioned them, it was meant as a compliment, not as an insult).  Maybe mentioning the number of someone’s posts violates some unwritten rule of the arcane Code of Forum conduct (if so, you’ve clearly violated that in your response on this Forum).  I guess I’ll never know, as I was never told exactly what I had done wrong.

The tone and language of your post, LesOfPrimus, tends to reinforce what I had written on my original post on this Forum about ww2aircraft.net’s “moderators” – you all seem to be a bit thin-skinned and quick on the trigger.  In your charming message, you call me “turd, meatball, retard, moron”.  It don’t know about other people, but I find these terms very insulting and offensive and a personal attack against me, and I wonder if it is against the rules of this Forum to refer to another member in such terms.  I hope so, and I hope appropriate action will be taken against you, Mr. LesOfPrimus, by the moderators of this Forum.  You'll be glad to know I have reported your post as abusive.

Regards, 

Learstang

Glad I could be of assistance, aerosup.  If you'll notice LesOfPrimus' (according to his response, the Senior Moderator of ww2aircraft.net) response to my original posting, I think you'll get a little flavour of the self-righteousness, nastiness and how thin-skinned these moderators are.  His response inadvertently butresses my claim about ww2aircraft.net's moderators.

Learstang

Wow..THAT was it?  You walk into someone elses house and start insulting the members and get upset when they find offense??  Do you think MAYBE they, by not mentioning the personal slight..the first time were excuting some form of 'manners'...slipping you some rope and seeing where you'd go with it???  OBVIOUSLY hanging yourself in the process.  You seemingly went from insulting  a man from Poland to insulting a moderator. 

Me thinks thou protesth too much.

Meatball seems pretty fitting.

I don't get upset, putz, I get even.  You talk about manners (as if your moderators ever exercised restraint) - it might also have been considered good manners to let me know exactly what it was that got me suspended, but it seems your "manners" only go so far.  In America, the accused is supposed to know exactly what he or she is being accused of.  As far as insulting a moderator, so what?  It doesn't seem like that's a very hard thing to do.  My whole point with my first post to this site was that the moderators at ww2aircraft.net are hair-triggered jerks with delusions of godhood, and your posts prove that point in spades.  You spent over a month tracking me down to this site so that you could personally insult me, repeating the very offence you accuse me of.  Get a life!  (By the way, I'm halfway to that magical 8 posts so keep your charming responses coming!)

Learstang:

Glad I could be of assistance, aerosup.  If you'll notice LesOfPrimus' (according to his response, the Senior Moderator of ww2aircraft.net) response to my original posting, I think you'll get a little flavour of the self-righteousness, nastiness and how thin-skinned these moderators are.  His response inadvertently butresses my claim about ww2aircraft.net's moderators.

Learstang

oops.. sorry Learstang.. I think I believe LesOfPrimus I visited the said forum and I think there's nothing wrong with it..

sorry if I will offend you on this one.. but, I think saying that kind of harsh words to other members is not good..

lets respect one another for you to be respected..

@LesOfPrimus - good thing you did your job.. I am also a moderator of a blogging forum and I know how it feels to see that kind of people..     

I'm sorry aerosup.  I'm sorry I'm "that kind of people".  And as one of "that kind of people" you're damn right you're offending me - you don't know exactly what transpired between Flyboyj and myself and you have no right to be judging me.  I find that very disrespecful.  If you don't know all the facts, you shouldn't jump to conclusions, and relying on LesOfPrimus' opinion could be a rather tricky proposition.  I find your talk of respect and your support for LesOfPrimus to be contradictory.  You talk about respect and not using harsh words ("I think saying that kind of harsh words to other members is not good.."), yet you seem to think that LesOfPrimus' harsh and extremely disrespectful attack against me is perfectly all right, as he is a moderator (of another site).  Indeed you congratulate him.  I didn't realise that attacking someone on a completely different site from the one where you are a moderator was a "good thing" and part of a moderator's job.  I do understand that he was trying to protect the "good" name of his site, but don't you think he could have done it in a more respectful manner towards me, instead of childishly resorting to offensive terms and using an insulting manner which if nothing else, tended to make my point?  He evidently only joined this site to launch a personal attack against me - not very respectful.  Well, I guess you moderators have to stick together.  I respect those who treat me with respect, and those who don't, like LesOfPrimus, will get the treatment they deserve.  In case you didn't notice in my first response to LesOfPrimus - LesOfPrimus certainly didn't - I agreed with him that my response to the Polish gentleman, Mr. Brunner, was much too harsh, and should have been done much better and with respect, or not at all.  Except for the Brunner post, which I readily admit was over the line, I don't think any of my other posts warranted an essentially unexplained suspension, which is what I objected to in the first place.  I'm sorry you don't understand this.

Learstang is right, the WW2aircraft message board is worthless. it is by and for the moderators and admins who run it.

I had multiple run-ins with them.  It offended my sense of right and wrong the way they abuse their powers and manipulate information to support their positions.  This made me unreasonably angry, in part because I'd become heavily involved in that site when my Dad was ill and subsequently died, before the current moderators took it over.  I've been very busy with serious real life since that time and I'm no longer angry, just amused at how they continue to spew the mis-historical crap that suits each ego in play.  From time to time I may have a little fun and taunt them a little by posting on their board, but probably not, i got better things to amuse myself with :) 

Last summer I wrote a bot to analyse the board, just for my amusement, and then I posted the results on the board for the membership to see.  Consider the following when considering joining the WW2aircraft forum, as of approximately end of July 2007:

To be considered active and counted a member had to have made more than one post, and have made at least one post in 2007.  1367 members qualified, though only 306 had made more than 9 posts (over the span of their entire membership).

41.553% of posts were made by (in order of # of posts):  DerAdlerIstGelandet, cheddar cheese, the lancaster kicks ass, lesofprimus, evengilder, and FLYBOYJ, who comprise 6 of the top 7 posters.

Moderators on the board accounted for 51.360% of the posts.  The top 20 posters accounted for 72% of the posts, and the top 30 posters for 79.057%.

So while these guys present this board as having a massive base of contributing members, in fact they have a small clique of followers who have to ooh and ahhh at the wisdom and supreme knowledge of the moderator cadre.

These guys would have presented operation Sea Lion as feasable when I was a member, but of course I shot that down.  Who keeps them honest now?  Instead they just pervert history and spread dis-information (such as that Europe would not now be dominated by either Germany or the Soviets had the US not entered WWII).

To you aerosup, I think you should consider to whom you are lending your support:

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lesofprimus Minister of Whoopass     Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Island Native in Mississippi Posts: 12,998 Country:

Im just an as*hole and I play that part on the internet as well... Many people dislike me, and I could care less.... This is my internet home.... I spend a portion of what little "me" time I have on this site only.... I dont participate in any other message board... Many guys here are truly good friends of mine and the only thing that stops us from getting together is the free time to do so.... I know I could count on several guys here who would welcome me in if I showed up on thier doorstep... This place IS a second home to me.... Therefore, I not only do not put up with bullsh!t on this board, I go out of my way to eliminate it before there is a problem... I will pick fights, usually with newer members, in an effort to either push their buttons and see the true member inside, or to simply get them to say the wrong thing to a big ol longhaired bully of a Moderator so I can ban their as*.... I protect my own in whatever I do, and this site is no different.... I carry a blade on me at all times here in Mississippi, and I do so on this site.... <blah blah blah...> If a member becomes too disruptive for the community good, he's banned.... RG wore out his welcome, plain and simple... U dont get into pissing matches with Moderators, no matter how much THEY break the rules, its THEIR <i.e "his"> rules...

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Says it all don't it?  Notice the way Les discusses himself in the third person, as part of "THEY" and "THEIR"?

I'm sure Les and others will come here and throw insults and denegrations in my direction.  But the facts are the facts.  Regaurdless of what they say their board is totally dominated by the Moderators and lacks even the slightest measure of fairness towards its membership.  The Moderators are Gods and the membership are to know their place and obey.  The numbers are accurate (I can provide full details) and the quote above shows beyond question just how that board is run.

Well, got to go.  I got better things to do than this, and she's already givin me the evil eye cause I'm still typing

LMFAO....

 

Our site bing insulted by 2 of the biggest jackasses that have ever typed on a keyboard??? I like it..... Proves our site and Mods are doing their job....

 

This moron Lunatic was banned several times from several accounts... He would come back with a new member name after being banned and start his crap all over again.... He is really a psychopath and this site would be wise to get rid of him before he speads his wake of self-glory all over these pages...

 

It really gets disgusting....

 

This other turd, Learstang, created a new member name and is now sending rude and obnoxious PM's to myself and all of our members and Mods.. I will ban him shortly, again, from our site...

 

LMAO, here's his rant, I mean PM.... Anyone else think this kid is a basket case???

 

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I did indeed write the above message to Dan, aka LesOfPrimus.  It was however a private message, until he posted it here.  I don't take back anything I said in it, however.  Far from laughing about it Dan, it seems like I must have hit a nerve.  I notice you didn't refute anything (no doubt beneath your "dignity").  This is a direct quotation from Dan - "Ive already forgotten about this moron and will have nothing else to say to his sorry ass....".  Dan, in addition to being a major douchebag, you're also a liar.  I think your avatar and nickname of "Minister of Whoopass" says it all about who has major issues.  Go slinking back to ww2aircraft.net where you belong like a good little psycho and quit bothering the nice people here with your mindless ravings.  All you're doing is proving my point about how hot-headed the "moderators" are at your site.  Quit while you're behind.  However, people should take up Dan's invitation to go over and take a look at their site - especially look at the thread where they spent 5 pages - 5 pages! trying to rake me over the coals.  The "rude and obnoxious PM's" (praise from Caesar!) were not directed "to myself [Dan] and all of our members and Mods" but were sent directly only to the people involved in the thread and regarded what they had said about me.  These people are pathetic losers with nothing better to do than post hundreds and even thousands of posts on their insular little site.  Sad really.  I almost feel sorry for them (by the way, Dan, it's spelled "you", not "u" and "You're" not "Ur" - remember that this is a public post and not a text-message to one of your peeps, if you have any).

Cheers,

Learstang

 

Im not replying to ur posts cause I didnt read them... Ur a moron...

What a brilliant comeback!  What's next' "I'm rubber and you're glue"?  You truly are a worthless excuse for a human, Dano.  Have you ever considered mental intervention?  You keep saying you're not replying to my posts, yet you keep replying.  Why is that?  Some primal urge to '"get back" at people?  "Ur a moron".  Very nice - the sort of thing I'd expect from a third-grader (did you even make it to third grade - seriously, though, did you even make it out of high school?).  I certainly can't respond to such an erudite and intellectual attack against me.  You are a mental giant, and I'm sure the people on this site who have the misfortune to stumble upon this thread will be suitably impressed by your massive intellect.  You keep setting them up and I'll keep knocking them down.  I've again asked the moderators to ban you - hopefully the ban is in the mail.  Hey, hey, I made it to 8 posts!  Congratulate me!

Another example of what you get on the WW2aircraft message board...

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skellz Banned   Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4 Country:	Quote: Originally Posted by ToughOmbre Please pardon the CAPS..... DO I HAVE THIS STRAIGHT? HIS FATHER WAS A BLACK AFRICAN MUSLIM FROM KENYA. WE HAVE SEEN PICTURES OF HIS AFRICAN FAMILY. HIS MOTHER WAS A WHITE AMERICAN ATHEIST FROM KANSAS. WHERE ARE THE PICTURES OF HIS AMERICAN FAMILY? HIS FATHER DESERTED HIS MOTHER WHEN HE WAS ONLY TWO YEARS OLD AND WENT BACK TO AFRICA BY WAY OF HARVARD UNIVERSITY. HOW? WAS HIS FATHER WEALTHY? <blah blah blah.....> PEOPLE WHAT ARE YOU THINKING? HAVE YOU NEVER HEARD THE STORY ABOUT THE WOLF HIDING IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING SO HE CAN DESTROY THEM FROM WITH-IN ? THE HAND WRITING IS ON THE WALL, DO YOU NOT HAVE EYES TO SEE IT ? THINK LONG AND HARD BEFORE YOU VOTE FOR THIS GUY! TO ENDQUOTE <Skeltz's comment> Bwahahhahah So much paranoia in this post i honestly cant stop laughing

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DerAdlerIstGelandet Der Crewchief     Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ansbach, Germany Posts: 29,477 Country:	Quote: Originally Posted by skellz Bwahahhahah So much paranoia in this post i honestly cant stop laughing Good thing you are not an American and dont know how Americans feel and want from their government then! Another uneducated post like that, and you can go and post someplace else. Understand? __________________

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Skellz only makes 3 more posts before being banned, none of which are inflammatory.  Yet his politics does not agree with that of DerAlder or FlyboyJ so he is not allowed to express it.  Actually all he does is point out the obserdity of anti-Obama post starting the thread, which is based mosty upon bigotry and hatred and little on substance.

This is the the way the WW2aircraft forum is run, not only with respect to politics, but with respect to history as well.

I always find it funny when those who don't understand the principals of America try to prove how patrotic they are.  They rarely seem to be able to make 10 paces before the goosesteping starts.